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25 May 2013 @ 02:05 pm
Interesting Doctor Who in the USA ratings tidbit  

….. juuuuust waiting for the final ratings on The Name of the Doctor and I will update my geeky ratings spreadsheet for you guys! (But fwiw, I’m 99% sure those were the WORST finale overnights in NuWho history).

In the meantime, this is interesting. People have been super-hyping ‘DW is so popular in the US now ommggggggggggg’ for a while. BBCA actually released ratings for 7B season episode The Rings of Akaten - 2 million viewers.

Two million.

That’s about as well as SPN does, it’s worse than TVD does on its really, really bad days, and it’s less than half of what the US version of Downton can pull in on PBS in its sleep. (And as merryghoul below points out, Game of Thrones - which is on HBO and much more $$$ than BBCA - is pulling over twice these viewers as well).

All this hype … over 2 million viewers. lol. lololol. No wonder BBCA stopped reporting ratings after that - this probably represented a high for them which is most likely why they put it in a freaking PRESS RELEASE in the first place, and I have little doubt it’s gone down since then (or they would be telling us via another sad, sad press release).

Anyway, just wanted to share.


And lol.

 
 
 
a lanky brunette with a wicked jaw: dw || och ayeintrikate88 on May 25th, 2013 06:40 pm (UTC)
Well, that is certainly interesting news.

I kind of home those comparative numbers aren't reported to Moffat because my dearest wish for him is that he gets too big for his British britches and thinks he can hack it in Hollywood and American TV.

Which, lol, NOPE. With his incoherent plots, he'd be lucky to get a series order, and probably wouldn't get past midseason wihtout being cancelled. And this really just goes to show it, even on a cable network for a show that is reasonably beloved on this side of the pond too, it's just not bringing in the viewers.

Teeheehee.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 08:12 pm (UTC)
my dearest wish for him is that he gets too big for his British britches and thinks he can hack it in Hollywood and American TV.

Ha haaaaaaaaaa! He kind of reminds me a bit of Eddie Connelly from The Idiot's Lantern. Idiot, sexist and blowhard in his own backyard where he knows he can get away with it - but he'd never try that shit with anyone else because he knows he'd be beaten to a pulp.

And this really just goes to show it, even on a cable network for a show that is reasonably beloved on this side of the pond too, it's just not bringing in the viewers.

Yeah. To hear people talk you'd think there were 10, 20 million American viewers. Lmao. But of course we all the ~truth (according to the apologist fanboys at least) - the other 18 million viewers are just simply watching it on YouTube so they are not being counted. Or they're all cramming together, 300 people to a room, to watch it all together, and thus it's true popularity is grossly underestimated XD XD
Meagan: who/pastclaradomluver on May 25th, 2013 07:21 pm (UTC)
Well that is just for people who watch it. BBCA is a premium channel and you have to have a cable box to watch it all all this stupid shit. I'm sure not everyone watches it on TV. I know I didn't until they started playing it regularly. Though I still rely more on downloads.

And I would say it's getting popular when most of the stores I visit have small Dr. Who sections.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 08:06 pm (UTC)
Ehhh BBCA isn't premium - HBO is premium, so is Showtime and Cinemax. BBCA they sort of throw in there along with the other cheap channels in pretty much any package you buy nowadays.

And I would say it's getting popular when most of the stores I visit have small Dr. Who sections.

I'm glad you mentioned this - this helps prove my point. There was a small marketing blip a few months back when yes, stores like Hot Topic started promoting Whovian gear for a while. How hipster of them. Now however, it's relegated to teeny tiny columns that are barely visible, not even in the main section XD Typical of a marketing promotion that ran its course, tried its thing ... and is now still trying to unload its remaining stock before the NEW next-hipster-thing-on-TV/radio/movies comes in XD

Edited at 2013-05-25 08:07 pm (UTC)
ladyprydianladyprydian on May 25th, 2013 07:53 pm (UTC)
2 million eh...

I wonder how much the internet skews the results. I know when it comes to Downton Abbey and Sherlock I DON'T wait to watch it on PBS (not that I live close enough to Rochester NY and I GET PBS). So there is another bump in the ratings if you could ever get an accurate internet statistic. Which you probably never could.

Anyway, what I'm saying is I wonder if there are more folks in the US and Canada (where Doctor Who is on Space) and they have, recently, aired the eps on the same day they are airing in the UK. Unlike s2-4 where the CBC was airing Who 6 months later (S1 was a flook because S1 aired during 2005 hockey strike).

I do believe you when you are saying that the ratings are more than likely down for the last eps.

I would love to see your graph with all the screw up results (x-mas specials, seasons openers and finales) just to see...
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 08:03 pm (UTC)
So there is another bump in the ratings if you could ever get an accurate internet statistic. Which you probably never could.

Yeah exactly. Not only would there be no way to tease out duplicate viewers, but those numbers aren't available. (Of course, in the case of iPlayer they ARE available to the BBC - they have to be, the BBC has to restrict viewers based on UK IP address - but they don't tell us VIEWERS. They tell us VIEWS. Which is very, very, very different and most likely hugely inflated - I used to work for an internet media company, I am aware of these tricks XD)

I would love to see your graph with all the screw up results (x-mas specials, seasons openers and finales) just to see...

I'll make one of the Xmas specials just for you >.^ But I've already done the minus-finales-and-premieres one, and the slope of s7 is still negative. Which NEVER happens. Has never ever ever ever ever before happened in NuWho - curious to see if it ever happened in Classic Who, I was able to find those numbers so I'll look there too. But yeah, s7 = not the best lol).
ladyprydianladyprydian on May 25th, 2013 09:06 pm (UTC)
But I've already done the minus-finales-and-premieres one, and the slope of s7 is still negative.
*FACE!PALM*

Yes, because that was your FIRST GRAPH.

Ungh...
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 09:26 pm (UTC)
Hahahaaaaa!!! It's OK =) I updated it through Nightmare in Silver and it still shows a negative slope, which I would not be super happy about if I were the BBC.

Final ratings for the finale should be in by tomorrow I hope and I'll update my post then so that all graphs will be updated at once!!!! =)
ericadawn16: Thoughtfulericadawn16 on May 25th, 2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
Two million for cable/satellite is actually extremely good.

Don't forget that Supernatural and PBS are FREE. They naturally would have more viewers.

Plus, making it even more difficult for BBCA, many providers have made BBCA a premium channel that requires a more expensive package. Even the Teen Mom 2 finale special earlier this month only got 1.8 million.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 08:36 pm (UTC)
Ehhh as merryghoul pointed out, Game of Thrones is ALSO getting more than twice what DW is getting - and it's on HBO!!

BBCA is a pretty cheap cable channel which comes bundled with pretty much all the other cheap channels, unlike HBO which is $$$ and you have to buy in a special movie package.
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on May 25th, 2013 08:47 pm (UTC)
Okay, Game of Thrones is a more fair comparison since I still have many friends who complain they cannot afford BBCA and/or cable period but they are able to watch the free channels including PBS and CW.

When I was looking back in 2006, DirectTv was the only carrier who had BBCA in its basic package. As far as I know, Dish still does NOT have it in its basic package.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 09:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah I'm glad she pointed that out, it's definitely a more apples to apples comparison!

I just looked it up on the Dish network website, it's currently in the $34/month package and included in every package other than the rock-bottom-minimum package.
ericadawn16: Sadericadawn16 on May 25th, 2013 10:35 pm (UTC)
Yep, I was referring to the rock bottom, bare minimum package because that is what I had with DirecTv when first signing up and they were the only one to have BBCA in it.

BBCA just doesn't do well in ratings period. Their original show Copper which was referred to as a massive hit last year had 1.8 million viewers when it debuted but only had a little over a million with each episode after that. The fall premiere of DW only had 1.5 million viewers which actually means that the spring premiere improved on that although the 2 million is including replays in its first 24 hours.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 26th, 2013 12:27 am (UTC)
Yeah they're not really known as a 'show' channel. HBO is expensive, but it has a decades-long reputation for quality shows that people talk about, that sizzle, and that kind of make a (small) cultural impact - Sex and the City, the Sopranos, Game of Thrones. BBCA doesn't have that reputation to draw in viewers, even if they were to have them in their cable package you could probably go years (like me!!) and not even realize it lol.
merryghoulmerryghoul on May 25th, 2013 08:26 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to correct you on one point--the 7B premiere was "The Bells of Saint John," not "The Rings of Akhaten."

And I agree a bit with ericadawn16 a bit--two million is pretty good for a cable show that's available on some cable and satellite packages, but it's nowhere near the numbers that a show like The Walking Dead, History's Vikings, Game of Thrones or Burn Notice, for instance, can pull. (On the flip side, a show pulling around half a million viewers on cable is pretty bad.)
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 25th, 2013 08:41 pm (UTC)
Just wanted to correct you on one point--the 7B premiere was "The Bells of Saint John," not "The Rings of Akhaten."

Ahhh oops thanks XD

I just ... I mean, you can find anything in these numbers that you want to. There are many Moffat apologists who will say "it's a BBCA record and this is amazing!!!" But the fact is, they have *also* been using the 'rising popularity in the USA' argument in an attempt to quash the fact that ratings in the UK are heading south (slowly, but still). They further are using everything from nice weather to illegal downloads to try to explain away the ratings decline (even to the point of DENYING a ratings decline --- which I went so far as to stastistically prove when I was really, really bored and procrastinating one night!!)

They allllllllllways have an excuse. The show neeeeeeeeeeever delivers any bad news or anything they don't want to hear, ya see. So when the actual numbers come in for these supposed 'massive' USA ratings, and it's ... 2 million ... I just have to lol.

There are only so many plausible excuses people can keep making before they start seeming ridiculous.

Edited at 2013-05-25 08:42 pm (UTC)
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on May 25th, 2013 08:42 pm (UTC)
Yeah, like the last aired episode of Warehouse 13 only had 1.2 million viewers.
Firsa Asahiasahifirsa on May 28th, 2013 08:37 am (UTC)
That's bad right? I kinda enjoy that show though.
fogsbluefogsblue on May 25th, 2013 11:17 pm (UTC)
2 million huh? Last time I saw ratings for Aust, it was about 600,000. I think that was Hide. BUt population difference here. We have 23 million and 600,000 for a show like Doctor Who isn't actually terrible.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 26th, 2013 12:21 am (UTC)
We have about 314 million people in the USA .... so if we were to proportionally have YOUR ratings, we would have about 8.2 million viewers. If you were to have OUR ratings, you would have about 145,000 viewers.

Thus my amusement XD
fogsbluefogsblue on May 26th, 2013 12:40 am (UTC)
Glad you did the maths, I was too lazy, but figured you'd get my point. Somehow it doesn't seem like it's doing that brilliantly over there... Whoops.

I still assume Moffat's to blame.
kilodaltonkilodalton on May 26th, 2013 03:00 am (UTC)
Yeah I was actually really surprised. To hear all the crowing from the stans, I woulda thought at LEAST twice that number, minimum.
giallarhorn: Olivia Specs!giallarhorn on May 26th, 2013 03:36 am (UTC)
Yeah, I saw a few articles of the sort commenting on how DW had taken off in the US (which isn't to say that it hasn't garnered fans and viewers but the language used would imply a lot more) but in terms of raw viewership, 2 million seems low compared to shows like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead which pull a lot more viewers.

But it's hard to account for the whole cable aspect of it (I'm not sure at all where BBCA falls in terms of cable packaging) and that I feel like a lot of the viewers in the US rely on the internet for actual viewing as opposed to BBCA (see the case with GoT as well).
bloose09: Angstbloose09 on May 26th, 2013 03:49 am (UTC)
BBCA have only released the ratings numbers for one episode of S7? I wonder what they are trying to hide? If everything is hunky dory show us the numbers.

FYI: DirecTV includes BBCAmerica in their most basic package in my area. HBO is certainly not part of that package.

PS: 2 million in the entire US? You're kidding, right?

Edited at 2013-05-26 03:55 am (UTC)
Circe: Tardisredcirce on May 26th, 2013 04:06 am (UTC)
Yeesh. I know you need cable to watch it, but by comparison Elementary pulls in about 10 million an episode, and I think that's not even counting their online viewers, which is a huge chunk.

Maybe adding more timeloops will solve everything.
Li: fobplumerri on May 26th, 2013 05:23 am (UTC)
I can't remember where I'd read it, but I recall someone posting stats about the viewings and DW has been decreasing quite steadily (comparing from the 9th Doctor until now)

... wait, were you the one who posted the spreadsheet? omg my memory.
fannishliss: firebird!fannishliss on May 27th, 2013 02:50 am (UTC)
I bought s7 on itunes because I don't have cable.

I watch all my other shows for free -- SPN from broadcast (I have rabbit ears and the decoder box) and Elementary either broadcast or on the CBS internet.

The thing I am puzzled about is why there is so little material reaching this country in terms of the 50th. Like I was just in Books a Million and I couldn't find any kind of magazine or book related to it. Will there be anything at Barnes and Noble if I make the trek?

Katedeepdarkness on May 28th, 2013 01:28 am (UTC)
It makes me very curious about what the BBC is going to do when the final ratings come in and they realise that they've kept Moffat on for series 8. Because they can use whatever language they like in public but in the office they must be conscious of what is happening to the show, and that keeping the same showrunner on is a bad move. Particularly because this is the Anniversary year, and (as I think you've pointed out in the graph post) they probably thought their ratings would be very high.

You should totally send the final graphs to the BBC. From all of us worried fans to them. (Because, as someone who loves this show and would like to write for it some day, I am worried.)
develish1develish1 on May 29th, 2013 04:07 pm (UTC)
I think the fact that, despite all the yelling about how well it was doing, they've stopped releasing viewing figures, says they ARE aware of how bad those figures actually look in comparison to other shows.

we can only hope that eventually someone, somewhere at the beeb will realise that keeping Moff around is not helping
Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯: dw: companionsrosaxx50 on June 19th, 2013 03:17 am (UTC)
Belated comment is belated. This actually makes me sad because Rings of Akaten is my favourite s7 episode (so far).